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THE BAITING OF THE TRAP, 1585-1586 - topics: travel

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13 July. - Daybook Entries. Records travel: I returned to Erfurt, hora 5 a meridie.

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Records travel: I returned to Erfurt, hora 5 a meridie. I found Fr. Pucci desirous to have answer to the foresaid writing, and very much persuading this Roman voyage, using arguments out of our Actions, as that God said we should go to Rome in a certain month's space; that...

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THE BAITING OF THE TRAP, 1585-1586

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I returned to Erfurt, hora 5 a meridie. I found Fr. Pucci desirous to have answer to the foresaid writing, and very much persuading this Roman voyage, using arguments out of our Actions, as that God said we should go to Rome in a certain month's space; that we ought to obey the Roman Bishop, and to love him, &c. I replied and said that he was not to urge God upon any his sayings to us, but to refer all to his most free disposition; his will was to be done and not ours; God was not bound to us, &c. He answered vehemently and often, that 'God is most devoted to us, and God has told us to go to Rome, and I believe and will believe him, and I will not believe otherwise unless God was to tell me, "Non vobis," &c.' 'Well,' quoth we, 'God hath declared unto us his meaning in that phrase, which we also advise you of, that it is not meant (by the speech) that we shall corporally go to Rome' -and so I brake off that his reasoning, and told him that we marvelled that he should urge this Roman voyage so violently and eagerly more than we. It appertained unto us as much as to him, &c. The same day I told him that he had heretofore offended God with his curiosity in our affairs otherwise than appertained unto his calling, as he may well remember his repentance therein and his forgiveness obtained. But that now he had offended much more in curiosity, and half in conspiracy against us with our mortal enemy this Nuncius Apostolicus, upon whom he did fawn, in whose favour he is, who joineth, counselleth with him in our affairs, who dare prescribe us what we have to do in so weighty affairs as our journey to Rome, who hath framed a bill accusing us confusedly of heresy and wicked magic, both falsely on one part, and dangerous to life, and infamous at the least in the other, and hereto requireth, urgeth, and in manner in God his name argueth by our Actions past, obedience. And therefore he hath separated himself from us, and hath set himself against us, &c. With great vehemency he said he intended nothing but well to us, and was explorator with this Nuncius for our behalf. 'We require none,' said I, 'neither we need any, for God seeth all and doth all for our benefit, if we will constantly love and serve him.' To be brief, he would seem to be worthy to be thought well of for his zealous goodwill and fidelity to us ward, in all his doings and sayings; the truth whereof God knoweth, to whom we commit the cause between him and us.

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I returned to Erfurt, hora 5 a meridie. I found Fr. Pucci desirous to have answer to the foresaid writing, and very much persuading this Roman voyage, using arguments out of our Actions, as that God said we should go to Rome in a certain month's space; that we ought to obey the Roman Bishop, and to love him, &c. I replied and said that he was not to urge God upon any his sayings to us, but to refer all to his most free disposition; his will was to be done and not ours; God was not bound to us, &c. He answered vehemently and often, that 'God is most devoted to us, and God has told us to go to Rome, and I believe and will believe him, and I will not believe otherwise unless God was to tell me, "Non vobis," &c.' 'Well,' quoth we, 'God hath declared unto us his meaning in that phrase, which we also advise you of, that it is not meant (by the speech) that we shall corporally go to Rome' -and so I brake off that his reasoning, and told him that we marvelled that he should urge this Roman voyage so violently and eagerly more than we. It appertained unto us as much as to him, &c. The same day I told him that he had heretofore offended God with his curiosity in our affairs otherwise than appertained unto his calling, as he may well remember his repentance therein and his forgiveness obtained. But that now he had offended much more in curiosity, and half in conspiracy against us with our mortal enemy this Nuncius Apostolicus, upon whom he did fawn, in whose favour he is, who joineth, counselleth with him in our affairs, who dare prescribe us what we have to do in so weighty affairs as our journey to Rome, who hath framed a bill accusing us confusedly of heresy and wicked magic, both falsely on one part, and dangerous to life, and infamous at the least in the other, and hereto requireth, urgeth, and in manner in God his name argueth by our Actions past, obedience. And therefore he hath separated himself from us, and hath set himself against us, &c. With great vehemency he said he intended nothing but well to us, and was explorator with this Nuncius for our behalf. 'We require none,' said I, 'neither we need any, for God seeth all and doth all for our benefit, if we will constantly love and serve him.' To be brief, he would seem to be worthy to be thought well of for his zealous goodwill and fidelity to us ward, in all his doings and sayings; the truth whereof God knoweth, to whom we commit the cause between him and us.